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TickerBandit's Blog : Are we seeing what we want to see? More on the Megaphone ....

Date August 24, 2009  Edited: August 24, 2009    Comments Comments (20)    Rate this post Recommend This Post (80)   
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Below is an example of the most recent failure to finish a Megaphone formation from wave 4. We know once the Megaphone is completed, that there is a 90% probability of a lower low to follow a lower high. But what is the probability of the formation completing from wave 4?

The failure rate of completion from wave 4 I haven't found any documentation of.

Naturally if wave 5 is completed that is a sign of extreme weakness so it makes perfect sense that it will be followed by more weakness. But the probability of a 4 wave pattern being followed by a completed megaphone must carry less probability than weakness following the complete 5 wave formation. This is true of all the wave points. For example the probability of wave 1 being followed by 2,3,4,5 is rather small, which is why, the megaphone formation is a rare formation.

I didn't have to go back very far to find a wave 4 formation which failed to complete the megaphone. The chart is below. What if there is a 70 percent probability that the formation is completed? Then there is a 70% probability we will trade at the support line.

OK, under this assumption, what is the probability that we have seen the top of a bear market rally? Just multiply .7 with .9 and what we get is a 63% probability that we have topped.

Not so reassuring as 90% is it?

And how can one determine if Wave 5 is failing to happen? First one must identify something which isn't supposed to happen. We aren't supposed to break out of resistance. And yet we did on Friday, with a close, on higher volume, with a NYSE 15 to 1 up day. So it is already consistent with failure though we likely need more closes above the resistance line.

So everyone judge for himself and be true to himself in the judgement. How likely is it that the present 4 wave formation is actually a Megaphone formation?



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Author frankbean     Date August 24, 2009 07:16 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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TB Megaphone ?

Hahahah ... sorry I just think it best to keep it simple. Why are you so concerend about this Diamonds Trust ?

And if thats a Megaphone Top, then is WUC.V a MEGAPHONE Bottom, or just a cellphone bottom ? Or a chad over the doohicky with an ominous pennant flag ?

Owl
Author TickerBandit     Date August 24, 2009 07:24 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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DIA shows the volume during the day so I do use it in lieu of the $INDU. Also SPX and Comp.x don't show volume at all.

Lately there is alot of pre-occupation with this Megaphone thingy. I'm just trying to remind people to do what they always do that works.
Author JoeCole     Date August 24, 2009 11:17 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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TB, One thing about the megaphone is that I usually see it presented as a bearish light, perhaps I don't understand why because to me it seems more akin to a triangle in that it represents a state of indecision, expanding equality (vs contracting equality) or a battle between the bears and the bulls and the idea is that it does not become bullish or bearish until it breaks one way or the other. The triangle at least tends to represent a continuation of trend overall or as a wedge would represent a countertrend which would usually be followed by a continuation of the larger trend. Perhaps I am incorrect in my assumption. Also notice that the point and figure signal for the DOW was a "shakeout" and based on some of what you have said, perhaps you were one who was shooken. Does the megaphone represent trend reversal more often than not?
Author JoeCole     Date August 24, 2009 11:24 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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The Bullish Shakeout (from investorsintelligence.com)

The late great Earl Blumenthal used to say that the first sell signal in an uptrend was really a buy signal and this is a very overlooked thesis. The criteria for a shakeout formation is as follows:

the first sell signal in a new uptrend from a double top
above its bullish support line
has broken its downtrend line
has a bullish relative strength chart

The stock generates a simple sell signal but fails to move more than three boxes lower and then reverses back up. One can enter the position on this reversal (before a new p&f buy).

Stops are placed below the up-column lows i.e. on another reversal down.
Author TickerBandit     Date August 24, 2009 12:54 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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JC,

Thanks for your interesting comments. I agree with them. On the bullish shake out. We may have just experience one in the short interval. The resulting rally, which we are now experiencing will tell the tale.

You are the only trader here who regularly posts P&F charting analysis. P&F charting truly is a lost art amongst most. While I have modified the rules to some extent, the trading system I am now using is closely related as both are strictly price dependent methods.

Regarding the bullish percents, we set a new high (higher than 2007) in the BPs. Do you have any sense of the probability that a new high in the bullish percent correspond with the top of the market. I've much less experience with this data than you. But it seems to me, given the nature of the market to diverge in breadth at the top, that it would be very rare for a new high in BP to correspond with a market top. What say you?
Author JoeCole     Date August 24, 2009 13:39 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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A bullish percent level above 70% represents a higher level of risk and a potential for a top, however it remains bullish until it reverses down. Based on the volatility I would like to see a bullish percent chart for the NYSE that is based on longer term P&F charts. I base this on the market volatility over the past year, however, I also have access to BP charts for All Stocks, All Global Stocks, Mutual Funds and a few others and I will tell you the one chart the gives me the absolute willies right now is the cumulative chart for stocks making new highs vs new lows is at a STRATOSPHERIC 96% high and now down to 94%. This one is calculated a day behind based on data released by NYSE so I will watch it carefully and stand aside once that thing reverses to 90%. Good luck!
Author BSNBC     Date August 24, 2009 14:12 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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it looks like a reversal day. good time to short. stop above today's high.
Author TickerBandit     Date August 24, 2009 14:19 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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JC,

If making a new high is good for a stock, why wouldn't it be good for the stock market? That data suggest to me that there is little divergence in the market. New 52 week lows are very low right now. Simply not enough to make be worry. When I start seeing 2 to 3 % of the issues making new 52 week lows, then I will begin to worry more. We could get a decent dip here but I seriously doubt this is the top.
Author TickerBandit     Date August 24, 2009 14:22 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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BSNBC,

According to my numbahs .... to reverse we need a close below DJIA 9270 :-)
Author BSNBC     Date August 24, 2009 14:25 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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TB, you're right. the market did not drop enough and still looks too strong. preemature shorting on my part. i'll try again later.
Author JoeJustJoe     Date August 24, 2009 14:25 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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Well, being that BSNBC now says it is time to go chort I'm wreckin I have no choice but to make an adjusto and eliminate the hunnert FAZoo I bot in PM trading on Fri with a slight loss as I sell right cheeeya at 23.40. This together with my gain in SRS on Fri puts me in the exact same position I was going into the open on Fri....cept I wouldn't even consider SRS as a way to play the coming market collapse personally of course.....altho I am still holding a small position at a loss.>>> :-( I'll be looking to reload whenst (not it) BSNBC gets stopped out of his chort...or ifn TB ever comes back and ansers my question (or 2) about EGY...or if TB WOOHOO's on the open tamarrah about how he got "leveraged" into FAS again in PM trading cuz it's up 4% on the open. LOL Rmember, sheeple, it is ALWAYS much "safer" and easier to have gone long after the fact...makes ya "look like" you actually know what to heyell you are doing too...sorta. :-) 3J
Author JoeCole     Date August 25, 2009 05:11  Edited: August 25, 2009 by JoeCole Abuse this post Report Abuse
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TB,
A high percentage of stocks making new highs (IE, over 70%) suggests extremes and as such is a contrarian indicator. Contrarian indicators are necessay with Point and Figure, otherwise you end up buying tops and selling bottoms. By contrast we saw the opposite situation in early March with a reversal up on the NYSE HILO from 2%. Your indication of a 2-3% move has already occurred from 96% down to 94%, however, I am waiting for a 6% move from 96% down to 90%.
Author TickerBandit     Date August 25, 2009 07:19 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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Contrarian indicators are necessay with Point and Figure, otherwise you end up buying tops and selling bottoms.

JC, try using a slow short interval like a 100 minute interval and reduce the reversal requirements. Reacts faster and gives the go ahead with a normal P&F signal. So it can be used as a timing tool for a P&F "contrarian entry".

Author JoeCole     Date August 25, 2009 13:38 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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TB, It would be nice, however I only have access to end of day data for the NYSE high-lows.
Author TickerBandit     Date August 25, 2009 22:51 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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JC,

I was confused about what you meant. I thought you were speaking of P&F charts of the tickers you trade.

JC, what are your thoughts about the rally? Do you think it has legs? My analysis keeps pointing North.

TB
Author JoeCole     Date August 26, 2009 10:49 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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TB, I think September will be more telling. If the institutional investors come back from their August break at the Hamptons and buy in volume we will see more rally. If not then we will need to retest some support level. 8000 DOW, 800 S&P would be my guess.
Author TickerBandit     Date August 26, 2009 11:03 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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JC,

Have you noticed the put call today?
Author JoeJustJoe     Date August 26, 2009 12:22 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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TB, I wanted to let you know I am trying reeeeeal hard to prevent a close belowst 4.80 on that POS that is EGY. Trust me...I doan wanna see you hasta make a decision any more than you do. :-) 3J
Author JoeJustJoe     Date August 26, 2009 12:50 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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TB, bullish % index now stands at 82%. Not sho what the put/call is at but I'm wreckin that ifn it is high those chorts will get driven out. Remember....the govmint...I mean, Wall St says you are not allowed to chort the most groslly overvalued market we have seen in your lifetime. *-) 3J
Author JoeJustJoe     Date August 26, 2009 14:48 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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TB, you will be "glad" to know I just "capitulated" on my SKF long right cheeya since it n the ole FAZoo will be taking out thur 52 week lows....and SKF wuz showing a smaller loss :-) See. it's "OK" to admit that you were wrooo....wrrrrooo...wrrr....that you were "off by a tad" in yer judgement. Like ya wuz with EGY. Anyhoo, I just want you to know that I respect the fact that you are willing to hang in thur and git the snot knocked outta ya instead of panicing like Mighty Mouth does at every drop o'the hat. I admire that. It'll just make you stronger...and of course, poorer. Besides....thur are plenty of udder plays out thur wherst the trend is still yer friend and I certainly "hope" you will continue to consistantly find the ones that allow me to snooker you. Best wishes. *-) 3J
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