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TheInstitutional's Blog : How much bad?

Date October 15, 2008    Comments Comments (3)    Rate this post Recommend This Post (258)   
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In the last few days I had to reconsider the situation and my analysis.

After being very negative on the market for about one year and profit from the downturn, in the last few days I became bullish on front of the governments interventions to save the financial system.

I have to tell you that on my opinion although the U.S. Government has really done what is needed (together with other major countries) this is not enough to recover.

First, financial market are not going to be the same as before, we are seeing a partial nazionalization of all major financial institutions in the U.S.A. and the UK together with some other european countries. The investment banking model is dead!

Second, governments had to step in to save industrials company as well from being collapsing on credit crunch.

Third, the impact on real economies will be really severe with a deep longlasting recession worldwide, drammatic increase in unemployment, drop in consumers.

We are in the climax of the financial crisis and this has been so severe that the loss of wealth and confidence will migrate very badly from Wall Street to Main Street for the years to come.

For few days I hoped the system was able to stabilize and to restart with stocks at shock prices, now I have to reconsider.

Volatility will remain high for some more weeks with big swings but probably we will then have a steady decline to new lows far away from the levels seen last week, together with the capitalist realizing it is (at least for now) Game Over!

We are going to experiment a new era of Socialist semi Free Market ( don't know how this can work!) I blame the Governments for not being able to avoid this but unfortunately at this point they have done the only thing to avoid going back to stone age...


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Author JoeCole     Date October 15, 2008 09:06 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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"For few days I hoped the system was able to stabilize and to restart with stocks at shock prices, now I have to reconsider."

What caused you to change your mind in such a short time?

"We are going to experiment a new era of Socialist semi Free Market ..."

Why not blame the free market capitalists who were free to make their own decisions? It would have been better for the government to only get involved to enact regulations on leverage, and punish those who abused the system, then let the free market work it out. That way at least we know which way the market is going to go, and someday, someone would lend money again because there are plenty of good people to lend to now.

"Game Over!"

Now rationally, is it really that bad?

Author TheInstitutional     Date October 15, 2008 12:26 Abuse this post Report Abuse
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Thanks for your thoughts JoeCole,

"What caused you to change your mind in such a short time?"

The fact that the market was unable to rally on the bailout news, the psicologic damage was too high at that point and the level of fears behind any good possible news, at that point what I saw on the market was in my opinion the total distruction of confidence on Wall Street and the financial system this is causing the self fulfilling profecy of a near depression style of recession.
It take years to rebuild trust!

"Why not blame the free market capitalists who were free to make their own decisions? It would have been better for the government to only get involved to enact regulations on leverage, and punish those who abused the system, then let the free market work it out. That way at least we know which way the market is going to go, and someday, someone would lend money again because there are plenty of good people to lend to now."

I agree with you 100%!!!!

"Now rationally, is it really that bad?"
My opinion is that it is that bad for irrational greedy capitalism style, the one we saw on the last two or three decades but I believe in the renaissance of good capitalism for good people later on.
Author JoeCole     Date October 15, 2008 12:47  Edited: October 15, 2008 by JoeCole Abuse this post Report Abuse
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It just doesn't seem to be that bad to me, I think there is significant opportunity for investment and that the market was undervalued at the end of last month, but like all markets they swing too far to both sides, and instead of the 8-10% decline below what I saw as fair value, it swung 20-30% below that.

If it's a matter of 'trust' that's ok to me, I'll buy into it and I bought into 100% long as of today. So I covered on Wednesday of last week, and bought some everyday since then.

If hedge funds are liquidating, that is not a true market value deal, they are selling because they have to.

What happened when the market dipped below fair value last month was it tapped into an unnacceptable level and created a high level of 'fear' in the market. Really panic, and you could see the panic in everything from media, the VIX, Trim Tabs, etc. That's not rational selling in my book.

The recession and global slowdown argument has some weight, but look at the market in previous recessions -up higher at the end of the recession than the beginning.

Those who are waiting this out should not be rewarded, and the market will figure out a way to shake weak holders out.
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